omg at that shooting news.

It’s been ongoing since around 8am…this is really devastating.

I’m mad Rizoh, I am upset, very upset.

damn!

You send your child to college and they send him back to you in a body bag. Maybe it’s time to reconsider gun policy in this country after all.

I’m not too sure about that…the people that you don’t want to have guns will find a way to get guns anyway…of course, if you could make it harder for people to get guns, even illegally, then it would indeed work out for everyone, IMO.

But I also think that’s why those people are called “bad”, since they go around the law to get what they want.

Eh gun control won’t make the problem go away. It’ll only up the illegal side of things..I don’t want to imagine that. What happened today was a combo of a lot of things, the reaction time by the univ to this incident is mindboggling and otherwise befuddling at best..

7:15 am shots fired, 911 call made
9:20 am - email blast sent to students, WTH?!

^You both have very good points. And I def agree that there were several factors that escalated that incident. Watching that clip where cops are literally standing outside while the gunman was blasting away really ruined my day. I understand the difficult nature of their job but I can’t fight off the thought that they could’ve reduced that death toll by going in towards the threat. Tons of cops vs one man would’ve definitely nullified the threat.

its a crazy world we live in rizoh.

If gun control won’t make the problem go away why not give every citizen his own free gun? That would create tons of jobs in the bullet industry and everybody would be able to defend him/herself!

^sarcasm, of course

“Researchers say the Internet is a failure. They suggest scrapping it and starting all over”
That’s a load of crap by the way. Traditional media and governments are freaked, it’s the first time in human history that major control over news outlets is slipping out of their hands into the hands of the people. One of the first steps toward liberation is freedom of information. Scrapping the internet (like that’s possible) and starting a new better regulated one is how they’re trying to seize back control.

Rizoh, you wrote about it a while ago and linked to this:http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107Bloggers_Prison.htm

Davey D was busy with it too: http://www.freepress.net/news/17357

It’s time governments and media, leaning left or right, realize that Pandora’s box has already been opened, SUCKAZ!(C)KRS-1.

Sorry, didn’t mean to start preaching, I’ll step down now.

One!

It is time you mothafuckers of the US learn to control yourselves and try to understand why your government sucks + try to change it !!! Stupid fagot ass egotrippin world- and selfdestructing rats.

Why thank you for that thoughtful and intelligent contribution to the conversation Nils.

It’s always hard to have a rational reaction to such deeply emotionally scarring events. The thing about the gun control argument is this. Unless you’re proposing banning private ownership of guns (impossible considering how many are already out there), it’s quite likely that the shooter would legally be able to get a gun anyway. What would you advocate for as requirements for gun ownership? Lack of a prior criminal record, a psych exam? How do you identify the unstable if they’ve yet to do anything to prove themselves as such?

Unrelated to that matter:
Don’t know what’s up with the coding on your website lately Rizoh, but it’s pretty much unreadable in Safari now. Did you change something recently?

Flint, my site’s been acting out all kinds of weird lately but, other than add a newsletter via Feedblitz, I haven’t changed anything at all. Maybe it’s time to upgrade to blogger beta after all.

My thoughts exactly Flint, where do we draw the line? The kinds of guns to own? That’s already in place. The shooter in this case used guns that could be legally owned, albeit obtained them legally to begin with even.

About that survey, a bit of their premise is stupid… Putin is not significant, Boris Yelston, the first president of the Russian Federation was significant, and if they were talking about the last leader of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev was the guy who ended the cold war, bad example.

And it does seem the younger viewers of the Colbert Report/ Daily Show actually know more from satirical shows than real news which is I admit is telling

Eh? So you all agree that not instituting more thorough gun control laws could’nt make a positive difference? But maybe it’s so ingrained in your national identity that it would’nt make any difference, especially with so many arms manufacturers in your country.
Is that being a cynic, realist or ignoramus?

Is that ME being a cynic, realist or ignoramus, sorry.

Gun usage in this country is a culture ingrained from its very founding so to absolutely ban gun usage would be not impossible but a difficult slippery slope that I doubt any administration is willing to face but not only that banning guns completely doesn’t automatically prevent these kinds of tragedies from happening.

Guns can still be obtained by both legal and illegal means. However, when you completely ban gun usage imo, you widen an already existing black market and the criminal element in that skyrockets to the point where gun rings, and such begin to exist at a very high level. I’m not saying gun control laws are bad just that they won’t necessarily solve the problem of ppl shooting each other.

Esbee, I agree that absolutely nothing can fully prevent these types of situations. Countries with stricter gunlaws have shooting incidents too. They do, however, have significantly less than the US.

The argument that gun ownership is too heavily ingrained in American culture to be banned just means that it’s an aspect of American culture that needs to change. There was a time that slavery was ingrained in it too, that didn’t make it less worthwhile to make a change, just harder.

I just watched Bowling For Columbine again. It’s obvious you are all individualist and afraid christians, living in an imagenary world created by your government.

Bringing a solution for your problem is impossible in a short period. But the first step is to STOP SELLING GUNS and START collecting all the arms ciculating in your country. This will take a while , but you will notice the difference. Of course there will always be an illegal market.

” … Ta massacrer les indiens persécuter les noirs
Après les diab’ viens les arabes le tout en 200 ans d’histoire … ”

Sniper - Visions Chaotiques

And now ask me why the world hates you !?

So, yeah, brutal violence is an exclusively American problem, not a universal issue. That’s a myopic argument, Nils.

Nah Nah rizoh , I know I exagerate in shitting on the US. All humans are violent , it’s in our nature. But if you sell guns on every corner of the street , it’s obvious people die :).

Look I’m from Belgium, you need a permit or be in a professional gunclub to own a gun. Not many people die by the gun over here.
But I notice even here I feel the fear people have growing , simular to the one in the US , but giving us guns to protect us against this fear is just crazy.

^I understand your argument. Less guns, less violence. But it’s not always that straight forward. There’s no linear remedy to gun violence. Take the guns away and the bad guys will circumvent the system and still wind up with guns.

It’s a much deeper problem but the folks here are going to turn it into a political debate with the quickness.

I just found out Cho was totally insane, REALLY insane. Gun laws are, almost, irrelevant when comes to a dude like this.

Swag, that’s totally opposite. Gun laws are almost irrelevant when you’re speaking about organized crime but they’re practically the only way to prevent an insane loon walking into a store and buying one.

Rizoh, Nils didn’t exactly express himself in the smartest way but he’s not entirely wrong. As I said, violent incidents occur all over the world but Americans do need to wake up to the fact that they occur a whole lot more in the US.

@Nils: Don’t take all this kinda info just from Michael Moore, he has a tendency to use the very same one-sided tactics as the right-wing assholes he’s fighting.

^Well, that’s true.

I should also point out that by “the folks here” I meant politicians in the US.

Yeah I know J to The A.A.P , forgive me my english is not perfect :). My motherlanguage is Dutch so i cant fully express myself. I know Moore uses propaganda technics, but I just wanted to get my main goal out = No guns.

Oh yeah rizoh , …
“Take the guns away and the bad guys will circumvent the system and still wind up with guns.”
Thats true, but only the “bad” guys, not 8 year old kids takin a gun from there parents blowin out other kids brains on the pavement.

This is my last comment on this discussion.

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Elements needed for a free and healthy democracy.

1) Freedom to own property
2) Freedom to defend yourself
3) Freedom to protest, assemble and speech